Evolution vs. God – Ray Comfort

2013-09-08 Leave a comment

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Inhoud: Gail Kennedy, PZ Myers, Craig Stanford, Peter Nonacs

Die DVD Evolution vs. God, deur Ray Comfort is in 2013 vrygestel en is hier op Youtube beskikbaar:

Dit wys op uitstekende manier uit dat evolusie nie (operasionele) wetenskap is nie – evolusie kan nie waargeneem word as dit miljarde jare gelede plaasgevind het nie. Richard Dawkins het bv gesê: “Ons is verdoem om net vir ’n paar dekades te leef en dit is te stadig, ’n te klein tydskaal om evolusie te sien voortgaan.”

Die DVD begin deur die definisie van wetenskap te gee:

’n Wetenskaplike metode is gebaseer op die insameling van data deur waarneming en eksperimentering.
(A scientific method is based on “the collection of data through observation and experimentation…” – Science Daily)

Daarna wys dit hoe Ray Comfort evolusioniste nader en hulle die vraag vra om vir hom ’n voorbeeld te gee van Darwinistiese evolusie wat ons kan waarneem en nie hoef te glo nie. Die mense begin dan gewoonlik met ’n voorbeeld uit die fossielrekord. Dan vra Ray hulle wanneer dit gebeur het. As die antwoord kom dat dit miljoene jare gelede gebeur het, sê hy dat dit dan nie waarneembaar is nie.

Hy voer onderhoude met onder andere:

  • PZ Meyrs: Mede professor in biologie by die Universiteit van Minnesota Morris. Hy is ’n geharde, aggressiewe ateïs.
  • Gail E Kennedy: Mede professor in antropologie by UCLA (Universiteit van Californië, Los Angeles)
  • Craig Stanford: Professor in biologiese wetenskappe en antropologie by USC (Universiteit van Suidelike Californië).
  • Peter Nonacs: Professor in ekologie en evolusionêre biologie by UCLA

Die belangrikste van die DVD is egter nie noodwendig dat evolusie se swakhede uitgewys word nie, maar dat dit duidelik is dat die ateïste in die DVD weer dink oor hulle lewensuitkyk. Kyk ook:

Ray Comfort het ook die volgende baie goeie DVD’s uitgegee:

Hier volg die onderhoude met die verskillende wetenskaplikes:

Onderhoud met Gail Kennedy (GK)

Ray: Could you give me some observable evidence that evolution is true? Something I don’t have to receive by faith.

GK: We can trace the evolution through the fossil record.

Ray: Could you be specific, just give me one?

GK: Ah, between 6 and 7 million years ago

Ray: So evolution can’t be observed.

GK: Evolution is not testable over time.

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Ray: What have the bacteria become?

GK: A new kind of bacteria

Ray: It’s still bacteria. There’s no change of kinds.

GK: (no verbal response)

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Ray: Do you believe in intelligent design?

GK: Of course not.

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Ray: No genius can make a grain of sand from nothing. We don’t know where to start.

GK: I can’t.

Ray: Why not?

GK: I don’t have millions, billions of years.

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GK: I generally don’t engage creationists because it’s not good for my blood pressure.

GK: The problem with those who are unable to see evolution, I think, is that they don’t have imaginations.

Onderhoud met PZ Myers (PZM)

Ray: You’ve got the canine kind: the coyote kind and the domestic dog; and there’s the feline kind: which is the cats, the tiger, and the kitten; and you’ve got the humankind, so Darwin said there’d be a change of kinds over many years, so could you give me one example of observable evidence of the change of kinds?

PZM: So for instance, the fossil record shows the common ancestor of all carnivores, that cats and dogs were once linked, united by a common ancestor.

Ray: How long ago?

PZM: This, I believe, was, like, 60 million years ago.

Ray: I don’t want something that I have to accept by faith. I want it to be observable.

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Ray: The scientific method is it must be observable and repeatable, so could you give me one piece of observable evidence for Darwinian evolution?

PZM: Okay, I would point – there’s one great example is look at the genetics of the stickleback.

Ray: What’s that?

PZM: So the stickleback fish are a very interesting collection of species that were recently isolated after the end of the Ice Age.

Ray: What have they become?

PZM: They’re various species of sticklebacks.

Ray: They stayed as fish.

PZM: Well of course.

PZM: Human beings are still fish.

Ray: Human beings are fish?

PZM: Why, yes, of course they are.

Ray: Could you give me an example of Darwinian evolution, not adaptation or speciation, but a change of kinds?

PZM: Ha, ha ha. These áre change of kinds.

Ray: They’re still fish.

PZM: They’re distinctly different fish.

PZM: For instance, I would say, look at Lensky’s experiments on bacteria then.

Ray: So what have the bacteria become?

PZM: Bacteria are still bacteria, of course.

Ray: That is not Darwinian evolution. To summarise, the observable evidence you give me for Darwinian evolution is bacteria becoming bacteria.

PZM: No, it is bacteria acquiring new metabolic capabilities.

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Ray: Do you believe a rose is intelligently designed?

PZM: Definitely not.

Ray: Could you make a rose from nothing?

PZM: No

Onderhoud met Craig Stanford (CS)

CS: We have thousands of examples.

Ray: Can you give me one?

CS: I can give you thousands.

Ray: Just one

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Ray: So that’s not Darwinian evolution. That’s not a change of kinds, is it?

CS: It is a change in the genetic makeup of the bacteria [not kinds]

Ray: But they’re still bacteria.

Ray: You said before that there was lots of evidence for evolution. I just want one observable evidence for Darwinian evolution. Just one.

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CS: But I gave you some. You don’t want –

Ray: Not some. I want one.

CS: Wait, you don’t want that.

Ray: Yes I do. I want one. Yes, I do. I’m pleading with people.

CS: You asked me to tell you – you asked me to tell you when I’ve watched one species evolve into another. Isn’t that right?

Ray: No, one kind into another. There’s 14 different definition of species, so I want a change of kind.

CS: When you say change of kinds, do you mean the evolution of one species from another to another? Yes, we have that in action, actually, in the Galapagos.

Ray: Could you give me one instance?

CS: Yes, we have an example from a group of birds called Darwin finches.

Ray: But, that’s not Darwinian evolution. There’s been no change of kinds.

Ray: What have the finches become?

CS: They become genetically new and anatomically new, recognizably different species.

Ray: So they’re still finches?

CS: Well, of course they’re still finches, yes.

Ray: So there’s no change on kind.

Ray: Could you give any observable evidence for Darwinian evolution?

Onderhoud met Peter Nonacs (PN)

PN: When you’re talking about kinds or changes in families, you are actually talking about macro-evolution. You are talking about changes in the level that separates say, cats from dogs.

Ray: So could you give me any examples of Darwinian evolution?

PN: Well, when you say examples of that, then you have to sort of look at it over longer time frame.

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Die volgende is uit Evangelist stumps evolution elite:

Since evolution cannot be observed or tested, then, Dawkins’ claim that “faith is the great cop-out, the excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate the evidence” RC effectively moved evolution into a faith, not a fact, category.

Neutralizing Richard Dawkins further, RC uses another quote from Dawkins, “We are condemned to live only for a few decades and that’s too slow, too small a time scale to see evolution going on” further reinforcing RC’s challenge that “evolution can’t be observed.”

Amazingly, the Huffington Post in the article entitled “Evolution vs. God: Not a Choice Most of Us Have to Make” was one of the first to launch a personal attack him prior to the scheduled release on the 9th of July complaining that “Ray seems to have a very warped sense of how science operates.” Obviously, it is the Huffington Post, not Comfort that has an obvious “warped sense of how science operates.”

To control the damage from the embarrassing and widely circulated video, Jerry Coyne of the University of Chicago on his Why Evolution is True gave some words of advice to evolutionist in the future: “P.Z. Myers and other evolutionary biologists… were unwise enough to be interviewed.”

Biological evolution was once a theory in crisis, now evolution is in crisis without adequate evidence for a cohesive and comprehensive theory of evolution.

Evolution exists only as a philosophy− based on faith, not a scientific fact.

In light of the obvious evidence, evolution adherents should re-consider the warning of the world’s most recognized evolution advocate, Richard Dawkins: “Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.”

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